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The whole truth of the real story

Monday, August 14th, 2006

OK – so it wasn’t New World Order and the Rothschilds who did it,  it was Mossad and the Jews!

Who’s up next?… Dalai Lama! Dalai Lama Did it , and he’s a CIA agent!!!

The Truth Seeker – The whole truth of the real story
The whole truth of the real story
By John Kaminski – August 13, 2006 skylax@comcast.net

Finally, a book about 9/11 that actually talks about the real perpetrators of that bloody swindle!

It points the finger squarely at the Mossad, at Israel, and Jews in general. The crime of century has many co-conspirators.

Conspiracy Theories 101 – New York Times

Monday, July 24th, 2006

New York Times owes up to their reputation as a serious newspaper and puts the Kevin Barrett case in sober academic perspective.

I always find it refreshing to see the ideals of rational thinking presented clearly.

It’s such a nice counterbalance to the often rabid and partisan views presented here in my blog, by others… and myself!  ;-)

I think this article provides not only straight guidelines for teaching in academia, but also more broadly for approaching any study, and in particular the study of 9/11.

Conspiracy Theories 101 – New York Times

…It is perfectly possible to teach a viewpoint without embracing it and urging it. But the moment a professor does embrace and urge it, academic study has ceased and been replaced by partisan advocacy…

Approaches to working with 911truth

Sunday, July 23rd, 2006

In the discussion regarding approaches to 911truth work cms@belowgroundsurface.org wrote in a comment to my previous post “Belowgroundsurface.org“:

Actually, after reflecting on it, I didn’t like the accusatory tone of the piece and I actually re-wrote it to be less confrontational. You should check out the new one at http://belowgroundsurface.org/indexes/index2.html and let me know what you think.

So I did and I wrote an answer in the form of an email with interspersed comments:

The Greatest Danger To The 9/11 Truth Movement: Narrowing the Range of Acceptable Discussion

We seem to be in the midst right now of a long-term strategy promoted by Jim Hoffman and his coauthors to narrow the range of acceptable discussion in the 9/11 truth movement down to one issue and one issue only: Controlled Demolition.

I’m not refuting that Hoffman may have expressed the intent to limit the 911truth agenda to only one issue, but I haven’t seen such statements from him myself yet.
It would suit your article to provide some exact links and pointers to Hoffman’s statements regarding this ‘one-issue-issue’.
Also I would personally like some pointers to such statements from Hoffman, because it is difficult for me to provide full feedback on your article when I don’t share this background knowledge with you, and I am simply interested in knowing about this.
So consider this request both actual feedback to your article and an actual wish by me, that you provide me with links to ‘one-issue’ statements by Hoffman.
I could try to find such statements myself, but hoffman’s sites tend to be rather sprawling and the information you refer to may even be located outside of his domains.
So thank you in advance for links to relevant information. (more…)

9-11 Review:Trojan Horses

Wednesday, July 19th, 2006

In this article the idea of ‘conspiracy theory’ as a meme specifically used in the infowar against 911truth is introduced.

This is exactly the ‘meme’ that the DR2 temaaften strived to establish.

9-11 Review:Trojan Horses

The 9/11/01 attack was a complex psychological operation carefully designed to conceal the truth, in spite of numerous obvious red flags in the fraudulent official story. As such it relies on the dissemination of memes that overpower rational consideration of the evidence. One of the most important memes is the idea that all people who question the basic tenets of the official story are loony conspiracy theorists, whose ideas are not worthy of consideration. Part of the construction of this meme was to make the attack so audacious that even a straightforward accounting of the basic facts sounds too outrageous to possibly be true.The ideas that the Twin Towers were destroyed by explosive demolition and that top-level administration officials were involved in the planning and execution of the attack are so painful that most people reflexively reject them, even if that means ignoring mountains of evidence. Nevertheless the perpetrators run the risk that these ideas will gain currency and begin to be examined with some objectivity if the loony conspiricism meme fails to maintain its hold.

ScholarsFor911Truth.org: Muddling the Evidence

Wednesday, July 19th, 2006

In the case between Jim Hoffman vs. James Fetzer, here’s Hoffman’s tirade:

Hoffman:
Hoffman.jpg

1) Against st911.org generally:

ScholarsFor911Truth.org: Muddling the Evidence

2) Against James Fetzer specifically:

Review: Thinking about ‘Conspiracy Theories’: 9/11 and JFK

Fetzer:
fetzer.jpg

See also attacks on Hoffman:

Again I must say that I tend to follow the reasoning of Hoffman, and I don’t think that Fetzer is really addressing Hoffman’s points.

Also Fetzer is driving the conflict way too hard when he says that one of the combatants has to be a disinfo agent. Hoffman is simply pointing out the weaknesses of the choice of arguments of Fetzer and st911.org, but Fetzer’s ego is too large to accept the critique.

If I was pressed to point a finger at a disinfo agent in this conflict, I would point at Fetzer, and what I perceive as the whole ‘Loose change’ branch of the 911truth movement.

But I think it is important to remember that we in the movement have very different approaches to working with 911truth, and while I agree with Hoffman’s approach of eliminating weak arguments, in order to prevent strawman attacks, I must at the same time accept that the ‘Loose change’ approach of peddling any conceivable argument is also part of the movement.

The fact that I think that their approach is counterproductive doesn’t necessarily make them cointel.
Just as their belief that ‘my’ approach is counterproductive doesn’t make me cointel.

Obviously these two branches of 911truth wont agree anytime soon on the proper approach, so they’re going to have to learn to live in disagreement, and argue against each other, but without throwing the ‘disinfo’ card at any given opportunity.

All that said, I can see how the prize of the undercurrent of this interpersonal conflict between Fetzer and Hoffman, is ultimately Steven E. Jones.

Jones:
steven_e_jones_cut.jpg

Fetzer and Jones has co-founded st911.org, whereas Hoffman and Jones plus Griffin are currently finishing the movie “Improbable collapses”.
Hoffman is clearly not happy about Jones’ association with Fetzer, and belive that Fetzer is actually working against the interest of Jones.

My advice to Jones would be to heed the warning of Hoffman, and distance myself from Fetzer.

I base this advice on my overall feeling that between Hoffman and Fetzer,Hoffman shows better judgement in his analyses.
In particular I’ve independently come to the same conclusion as Hoffman that the Silverstein ‘Pull it’ quote is strawman bait, and that it has already been put to effective use by the government in obscuring the arguments of the 911truth movement regarding the collapse of WTC7.
Fetzer is peddling the Silverstein quote as if it was an admission to the demolition of WTC7.
In my view that shows extremely poor judgement on the part Fetzer.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth

Tuesday, July 18th, 2006

Here is James H. Fetzer in a full-on attack on Jim Hoffman for being a disinfo agent.

I tend to agree with Jim Hoffman on much of his skepticism, and I have been particularly disappointed with James H. Fetzer for his uncritical use of the Silverstein ‘pull it’ quote.

I will have to look further into this issue, but I do not like this article by Fetzer, because I clearly feel, that he is trying to create an emotional barrier to supporting Hoffman. Fetzer is trying to make it politically incorrect to support Hoffman.

Scholars for 9/11 Truth
James H. Fetzer

Belowgroundsurface.org

Monday, July 17th, 2006

An attack on Jim Hoffman for being a disinfo agent is rolling:

I must say that I tend to agree with Jim hoffman on much of his skepticism, whereas I have been quite disappointed with Fetzer for his uncritical use of the Silverstein ‘pull it’ quote.

You have to click the ‘link’ icon on the site, du to odd technical reasons.
Belowgroundsurface.org

July 17, 2006

Is Jim Hoffman’s 911reasearch.com doing more harm to the movement than good? Is it intentional?

For a long time, I’ve privately felt that there was something really, really wrong with Jim Hoffman’s presence in the 9/11 truth movement and his supposed 9/11 “truth” site 911research.com. I always had an unsettling feeling that his site exists just to attack others in the 9/11 truth movement while simultaneously casting as much doubt onto the evidence as possible. It looked to me like his goal was to establish 911research’s credibility early on, and then gradually transition it into a site supporting the Bush Administration’s version of the events of 9/11, a transition which is clearly well underway right now. I’ve kept this view to myself so far, because I don’t want to waste my time getting into “He’s a disinfo agent!” “No, he’s a disinfo agent!” debates. Calling everyone a disinfo agent is Hoffman’s job. But today I received this link to an article by Jim Fetzer of scholarsfor911truth.org (a real 9/11 truth website) where he details his dealings with Hoffman, and he boldly comes to the same conclusion that I was coming to privately. I feel vindicated by that, so I guess it’s time for me to come out of the closet on this one. If I were the paranoid type who believes that the government is running fake 9/11 truth sites to confuse the public and cast doubt on the most damning evidence, Hoffman and his 911research.com would be my prime suspect.

The Meria Heller Show – Internet Talk Radio

Wednesday, May 31st, 2006

The Meria Heller Show – Internet Talk Radio

Meria interviews many interesting persons, with highlights such as David Ray Griffin and Greg Palast.

Her site gives me a slightly eerie feeling with its mixture of Political debate, spiritual stuff – and pay-to-view.

She has recently released a looooong 2+ hours speech of Richard Andrew Grove – 9/11 Whistleblower:

http://www.meria.net/Meria_Ipod.mp3 (as of today)

I have just finished ‘listening’ to this speech. It is gargantuan. Richard spends the first 25 minutes framing himself and his motives before even getting to any ‘content’. Then just as he begins to tell about fantastic observations he did on the day of 911 in the streets close to WTC, he evades and says that this info is not within the scope of this ‘transmission’.
He then talks and talks for 2 hours of myriads of persons, companies and incidents central to the events of 911. And in a fantastic chain of events, Richard repeatedly finds himself in the eye of the storm gathering crucial information about 911 and the perpetrators behind it.

I don’t know. Either this guy has a tremendous knack for placing himself in the center of events – almost like the protagonist in a James Bond movie – or he is more likely a paranoid psychotic with an utterly rambling mind – which could account for his alleged repeated being fired.

IF there is any truth to his emissive, it will be truly interesting to follow the reactions to this, but I just find it hard to believe that this is trustworthy.

I have recently had a feeling that there seems to be an oncoming wave of 911 disinfo flowing into progressive media, and this could well be the hitherto most elaborate hoax I have yet witnessed.

It would constitute a honeypot of enormous proportions in which large parts of 911truth movement could be lost, and a horde of follow-up disinfo agents could echo the ‘noise’ thereby reducing the signal to noise ratio of the 911agenda in the progressive media.

The 911 movement could be severely tainted by this guy.

I would love to see some credible backup for his claims.

unsungwar.com : The 9/11 Files

Saturday, May 27th, 2006

unsungwar.com : The 9/11 Files

Uncovering What Really Happened on 9/11

A blog.

And they have a toplist of 911 sites

There is an entry that strongly argues that the missing Pentagon jetliner is the ultimate weapon of the 911 movement and that all of those who thinks it just psyops confuscation are the real victims of psyops:

New Video of Flight 77 Analysis by Joe Quinn

That’s quite interesting since I have been known to hold the opinion that Pentagon is the honey-trap.

Norman G. Finkelstein

Tuesday, May 23rd, 2006

Norman G. Finkelstein

Here’s an interesting character!

I discovered him through a video of a lecture he held:

15 May 2004 Forum: “Is Criticism of Israel Anti-Semitic?”

Which I can strongly recommend, because not only is his info great, he’s also enjoyable to watch, even through a lengthy lecture.

His main point (in my opinion) is that the conflict between Israel and Palestine is NOT complicated, it is as simple as the conflict between the cowboys and the Indians: The Indians defend themselves against the Cowboys, because they fear territorial dislocation and extinction. (which they got… the indians)
He spends much time in a meta-effort to belitle some of his ‘colleagues’, but even that is entertaining as it is just instrumental for his points about the disinfo being spread about the Israel/palestine conflict.

A page about the books/authors that Finkelstein attacks:
Amazon.com: Profile For K. Kordsmeier: Reviews

The Case for Israel by Alan Dershowitz
From Time Immemorial: The Origins of the Arab-Jewish Conflict over Palestine by Joan Peters

You can watch/listen to to his debate with Alan Dershowitz on Democracynow:
Democracy Now! | Scholar Norman Finkelstein Calls Professor Alan Dershowitz’s New Book On Israel a “Hoax”
I’m not (yet) intimately knowledgable enough on this issue to judge the significance of Finkelstein’s accusations against Deshowitz’s book, but if you think it is important then you could try to listen trough the screaming cock-fight. It’s mostly screaming because Dershowitz constantly interrupts, and Finkelstein does appear to prove some incorrect claims in Dershowitz’s book.
And – interestingly he is old chums with Noam Chomsky, though I think there was a slight mention of disagreement between them over the issue of realizability of return of palestinian refugees to their homes in Israel. I mention this because I think it could be supportive evidence of my theory of Chomsky’s strategic M.O.

A Skeptic’s View

Monday, May 1st, 2006

The 9/11 Conspiracy: A Skeptic’s View

Here is an article trying so hard to establish itself as being ’sensible’ and ‘honest’ in its scepticism against the 911truth agenda, that it almost exposes itself as a hoax-piece.

In the end what it achieves to prove is that no matter where on the scale you’re trying to take your stand, you will most likely do it by enhancing the arguments that suit your end, and diminishing the arguments that contradict your given agenda… just like I do in my own blog ;-)

That said it did point to a very interesting video-clip, of a corner of WTC1 buckling just at the onset of collapse.

Wtc 1 tower collapse close up – Google Video

I have never seen exactly this clip before and it does put another perspective on the initialization of the collapse. It also may appear symptomatic that I didn’t see this particular clip in any other article more biased toward proving foul play.

9/11Sites.org

Sunday, April 23rd, 2006

9/11Sites.org – Main Page – All Sites

A site that ranks how popular various 911 sites are.

Sadly it shows that two by far most popular sites are:

  1. Loose Change
  2. Lets Roll 911

Both sites are of the less than serious kind, that blurts far to many unsustainable stories.

But anyway this site led me to some other interesting sites.

Flight 77 dot info

Thursday, April 20th, 2006

This site is dedicate to trying to obtain video-evidence of the pentagon-impact, through legal means – ie; FOIA.

It does so because it is convinced that it is futile to waste energy discussing this matter (to which I agree) – but I think it is also convinced that flight 77 DID hit pentagon – which I think – the point is – that we cannot know, until we see the darn evidence!

Also quite funny; it is mocking st911 as a ‘provocative site’ because ‘loose change’ is mentioned on their front page, and because it has ONE article claiming that the EXIT-hole in Pentagon must have been made by an explosive device.

The fingerpointing is same style as found on oilempire – a bit ‘orthodox’. It garners a ‘Meta’ categorization.

Flight 77 dot info

Welcome to Flight 77.info -
Documenting the legal process to obtain government-held video recordings related to Flight 77 on 9/11:

Mr. Bush, We Know What You Did That Summer! September 11th, 2001

Wednesday, April 12th, 2006

Here is a very cheerful peptalk, that promises the imminent fall of Bush and cohorts…
I would so like to like this piece, but I really find it quite unsubstantial. However it may work for you, if you need some support.

TvNewsLIES.org » Blog Archive » Mr. Bush, We Know What You Did That Summer! September 11th, 2001

… There are two groups of people in this world: those who believe the official explanation of the events of September 11th, 2001, and those who have examined the evidence and realize that the official version of events is totally unbelievable…

… We know what you did, and the game is over – even though you don’t yet know it.. The work of the independent 9/11 researchers is paying off. The evidence is steamrolling through the information super highway and is now creeping into the clogged arteries of the mainstream media. We may not know every detail and we may not agree on your individual motives, but two facts are now irrefutable: the official story of what happened on September 11th is not true and you were involved

9/11 Truth Movement – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tuesday, April 4th, 2006

9/11 Truth Movement – Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The 9/11 Truth Movement is a collection of groups, individuals, and Researchers questioning the official account of 9/11 who disagree to varying degrees with the mainstream media account of what occurred during the September 11, 2001 attacks. Members believe that the truth is not yet known by the general public, and state that they wish to bring new evidence and analysis to their attention. The 9/11 Truth Movement is informal, decentralized and occasionally fractious; its members convene by list-serves, ongoing local meetings, and national and international public conferences.

Lotsa info about the movement!

9/11 Cover-up is National News

Monday, April 3rd, 2006

911 Truth Seekers-9/11 Blog
9/11 Cover-up is National News

This article lists lots of different Authors on 911, and couples them to your style of approach, here’s an example:

Maybe military types scare you. How about a lady of letters like poet Erica Jong

As such this article shows different ways to enter the 911 agenda for different people, and that’s nice, so I will put this in my ‘Starter’ category.

Full article: (more…)

HEY CHARLIE SHEEN, WAKE UP!

Sunday, April 2nd, 2006

HEY CHARLIE SHEEN, WAKE UP!
There Are Good Reasons Why 9/11 is Having Its 15 Minutes of Fame Now – Look at Who’s In the Spotlight

by
Michael C. Ruppert

He doesn’t really answer his headline as to ‘why now’, but he says that as long as the serious Debaters of the movement are NOT drawn into the frey of the mainstream, then it is indicative that this frenzy, is just a deliberate media-stunt to diss the movement by letting a few of the colorful jokers run a few rounds in the circus, and then shoot them down as strawmen.

I believe that if he himself was invited to CNN, he would retract his critique… ;-)

No, but seriously; The day we see David Ray Griffin in the Mainstream media is the day the movement has effectively reached the public opinion.

Hey! I just concocted a conspiracy theory of my own!

When Larry Silverstein said ‘pull it’ while speaking of wtc7, he laid out strawman bait. And when Charlie Sheen went public recently he was deliberately completing the hoax by taking the bait, and ‘Demanding an answer from Silverstein’, which is patently stupid since he has already given such an answer through his spokesman, and the answer is that by ‘it’ he refered to a contingent of firefighters in the building. Silverstein doesn’t even have to lend credence to Sheen, by publicly answering his ‘demand’, the mainstream media can simply refer to the ‘old news’ statement, and so Sheen will have been shot down, in the fall discrediting the movements brief appearance in the spotlight.

It’s a classic strategy: Sheen purports some of the most serious points from the movement, such as wtc7, but he also opens a big breach in his defenses. When that breach falls, the mainstream can safely ignore the serious points, and so those points will be buried, because now they have been publicly presented and ‘disputed by proxy’. Jakob.

The Wire – Home

Sunday, April 2nd, 2006

The Wire – Home   RSS_icon

This isn’t a specific 911 site, but it brought one interesting article:

system breakdown

It’s a meta-article, describing the current state of the ‘911-truth-movement’ .